I decided that it's time for me to bring my own experience to the table of the raw milk drinking "fad" that seems to be sweeping through crunchy mama land.
I made a poor choice of making a comment on a friend's Facebook page about her choice to drink raw milk. I sent her an email and I've modified what I sent her below and I wanted to share it with all of you, since this is my blog, and this is a more appropriate place to share my views on matters such as these. I haven't heard back from her yet... I hope I haven't run her off for good!
I preface this by saying that I am and always have been a proponent of a natural approach to all things - from health, to childbirth, to growing my own food organically, and beyond. You can dig through my blog to find my views on these matters. The benefits of consumption of raw milk, however, do not outweigh the risks. This is simply because the risks are VERY serious, very much life-threatening.
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Here I am, in the ER, 21 weeks pregnant, receiving my second IV bag of fluids, on day five of horrific cramping, diarrhea, and dehydration. I contracted campylobacter jejuni from raw milk. |
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....and I was THIS pregnant. |
I was just like, perhaps, many of you, a devotee (you can look back on my blog from 2008 and 2009) to the consumption of raw milk - I preached its benefits to everyone who would listen. I touted that I'd researched the facts, etc and knew what I was doing.
And then I got sick. Very sick. I had consumed several glasses of milk when eating a PB and J one day. Within two days I was experiencing severe abdominal cramping, profuse and bloody diarrhea and could not keep hydrated. I initially thought I was miscarrying when the cramping started. I was pregnant with Noah and I did knot realize it, but his life and my own were at risk at this point.
The bottom line is, the risk exists, and out of however many people you may know who drink it, one of them got sick, and I am that one. You are informed about the risks on the label, but it's easy to ignore. Especially if you've been drinking it for a long time. Especially if you think the "system" is trying to regulate and keep yet another healthy and natural product out of reach. And the system DOES do these things, however, I am here to tell you, maybe, just maybe sometimes it's for good reason.
The Infectious Diseases office that interviewed me informed me after the results got back to them that there had been a regional outbreak of campylobacter jejuni in a community of Hispanic women making cheese from raw milk in Northwest GA (the same area where the farm that I got my milk from is located - AND the same farm that everyone I know gets their milk from). Within this community, there were FOUR - yes, FOUR pregnant women who lost their babies - apparently a characteristic of campylobacter infections in pregnant women. Also, whether or not I had consumed raw milk was the LAST question they asked me in my interview - and the interview was 10-15 minutes long - so I do not feel that office was trying to find raw milk drinkers and incriminate the farms. I had been drinking it for well over a year.
Let me just say that I am not on a mission here, except that I know a lot of people who are in the raw milk bubble right now - they think it's totally fine, totally healthy and that the benefits outweigh the risks ... it's like this "fad" or "trend" in the "crunchy mamas" world. I am sort of trying to bring some reality to the table. And to be honest, I am one of those people who were caught up in that same bubble. And then it burst at the risk of my life and my unborn child's life.
Let me just say that I am not on a mission here, except that I know a lot of people who are in the raw milk bubble right now - they think it's totally fine, totally healthy and that the benefits outweigh the risks ... it's like this "fad" or "trend" in the "crunchy mamas" world. I am sort of trying to bring some reality to the table. And to be honest, I am one of those people who were caught up in that same bubble. And then it burst at the risk of my life and my unborn child's life.
The thing is, you will not hear about cases unless you really do your research, contact the Division of Health Infectious Diseases office and ask for the data... the data is collected by hospitals and doctors and passed on to them. You will never hear about it from the farms because they (the farms) don't sell it for human consumption. They are totally NOT liable for any human infections, because there is that loop hole in the law - they aren't selling it to you for you to drink, they are selling it to you for your pets to drink... so all these infections, unless treated by a doctor and exposed, are lost in the grey area between the farm being accountable for their practices that led to the infection, and the person who got sick... NO ONE is accountable, and that is a VERY BIG loophole where people's lives and health float in the balance.
You can get the milk, do a soft pasteurization of it and minimize your risk. Yes, culturing the milk probably is better than drinking it straight. At the end of the day, a lot of people will consume raw milk, and not EVER get sick. And that's great! But if you do, it is a very serious bacterial infection that could at its worst be life threatening, and is of even greater risk to young children and pregnant women.
You can get the milk, do a soft pasteurization of it and minimize your risk. Yes, culturing the milk probably is better than drinking it straight. At the end of the day, a lot of people will consume raw milk, and not EVER get sick. And that's great! But if you do, it is a very serious bacterial infection that could at its worst be life threatening, and is of even greater risk to young children and pregnant women.
I feel compelled to share my story, and there are others I know of who have also gotten sick who have no voice, because of the lack of accountability, due to the farms sort of kind of breaking the law by selling the milk to humans, knowing they will consume it, but leaning on the loophole to make their money.
Please don't be mad at me! :) Just hear me out, and make your decision. I won't judge you for it, but I won't be quiet about disagreeing with you.
Just go find yourself a local dairy who pasteurizes their organic milk from happy, grass fed Jersey cows, and I promise, you won't notice the difference!
I love y'all.
Brooke
Ok, I have to comment on this, from the other side.
ReplyDeleteFirst of all, I am SO sorry that you had to go through that terrifying experience, and I am not doubting or challenging the fact that you obtained the illness from raw milk.
HOWEVER, (and a big however), from someone who has lived and worked on 2 specific organic and grade A raw milk dairies (and been married to a farm manager) for over a decade, way before I was a mama, and way before I ever knew about crunchy fads, there are definitely two sides to the story.
We have always sold our milk FOR human consumption, and it is definitely legal when picked up from the farm itself (and not sold in stores). Our labels merely said "Grade A Raw Goat Milk" (or cow.) We supplied milk to infants who had sick mothers that were unable to nurse, growing children, pregnant women, average Joes, the elderly, our own children, etc. It's not a rogue operation. USDA inspectors come to the farm and test the milk and survey the premises themselves; there are no loopholes where we have worked, and where we still acquire milk for our children. The animals are tested and re-tested, the milk is tested and re-tested, it is a totally and completely legal venture, very thorough.
Sure there are risks, there are always risks with live food, and I'm not telling someone to drink raw milk without knowing the farm, inside and out. I worked with those goats for years, as did my husband, we were part of the operation, and not only did we do our own testing, the government came and did it as well. We worked hard to provide safe milk to the community, and it would be a shame to pasteurize all the goodness out of it.
Have you ever read Nourishing Traditions, or anything by Weston A. Price, or Sally Fallon? It's not a fad.
And, I'm believing that you've probably done all of the research, and still became ill, and I am SO sorry. I just think it's the farm, not the product. Please don't scare off loads of people from the actually food source. It would be wonderful if people could be encouraged to get close to the farmers and understand that what they are drinking IS for human consumption, even legally. I get that.
Amy, your point is well taken. A friend of mine said this on Facebook in response to this post: "AGH! I have tried to post my comment several times on the blog itself. My brother is a food scientist for a dairy company and at the mere mention of drinking raw milk he about bit my head off. So dangerous and you don't hear the real stories about the risks. Would you give your baby raw breast milk from a stranger? Why would you drink raw milk from cows you haven't raised and test regularly? I hope these "crunchy" people you know listen to your story (you know since you aren't a doctor or scientist)."
DeleteHere's the thing... to me, what benefits are so great about raw milk (and there are some, but nothing exponential - like the benefits of eating organic vs in-organic food) that it is worth such a risk as this? I am here to tell you, it sucks.
Here in GA it is illegal to sell for human consumption, thus the "under the table" references. Plus I do not believe - not sure - but do not believe that they test it as they would if it were sold for human consumption.
Great to meet and know someone who has participated in the process, and can explain it a little better. However, your point only solidifies my view, that unless you have access to the farm and its practices, you yourself should be ultra cautious or avoid it all together!
I just want to say that while I have nothing to add to the raw cow milk part, yes, I would in fact give raw human milk from someone else to my baby if it was needed. Milk donations happen all the time. I am friends with a few ladies who routinely donate or have even nursed other babies that were not their own.
DeleteSamantha - I think breastmilk banking is wonderful. I don't think there's anything wrong with that at all!
DeleteHi Brooke...
DeleteNew follower today!! Enjoyed this article and all the comments, mostly because I do not eat or drink animal products ;-) Looking forward to following along...
xx brittany
I just wanted to clarify what I was trying to say: the problem is not raw milk; the problem is the fecal matter that contaminated the milk you drank.
ReplyDeleteYes, pasteurization will kill unwanted bacteria from feces and other contaminants, but does anyone want to be drinking milk that contains feces and other contaminants, pasteurized or not?
The reality behind inspected (and legal) live, unadulterated, raw milk, is that it is clean. (and for human consumption) Not that it is unclean (like almost all organic or non-organic pasteurized dairy products), but has gone through a sterilization process to give it an unnatural shelf life and make it "safe". (Which, of course, it is safer to drink milk with feces in it once it has been pasteurized.) I think we can all agree that it would be better to drink clean milk, though unfortunately, many states do not allow their farmers to go through this process, so people get it under the table, and then it IS a gray area.
I just hate to see raw milk being so undeservingly demonized.
Also (sorry to be such a crazy commenter!) the benefits are equal, if not more, than organic vs inorganic food. Check out http://www.realmilk.com/moreraw.html.
ReplyDeleteThat's just the surface. But please read it.
Also: check out USDA's allowable puss cell counts and other bacterial counts within pasteurized milk. (I'm stressing the point, AFTER it has been pasteurized.)
Oh, and of course, no one should drink raw milk without knowing where it comes from, and knowing it's been tested. That's risky. That didn't seem to be your issue, though. It appeared as though you were attacking raw milk, period, which is really disproportionate, unnecessary, and unwise (in the face of a culture racked by diabetes, cancer, malabsorption, and other ails of modern diet, etc.)
I'm just coming from a different angle. In our corner of Texas (or hub), it is a very common thing to drink raw milk. It's legal, the benefits are known, it's safe. So, I haven't come into contact with the "animal consumption" thing, save for through reading, or hearsay. When it is regulated, inspected, and legal, it is a wonderful superfood.
Brooke,
ReplyDeleteI too am so greatly saddened by your illness from raw milk. What a frightening and horrible experience it must have been, especially considering your pregnancy! It is sad that in some states this whole "under the table" transaction has to occur. I lived in OK where it is unlawful to TRANSPORT raw milk, not buy it. So you can purchase raw milk on the farm and drink it ON THE FARM and be adhering to the law. But you can't buy it and take it home to drink. LOL!
Anyway, here in CA it is lawful to purchase, transport and consume raw milk. I deal with a reputable company who has been selling raw milk for over 20 years with no illnesses tied to their milk. I did LOTS of research about their farm, their milking practices, their housing facilities, etc.
They have a website: http://organicpastures.com/
I agree with your argument that purchasing raw milk from a farmer who does not test their milk for human consumption is putting your health at risk, and a fairly large risk at that. I would not encourage ANYONE to purchase raw milk under these conditions. It is sad that in so many states the fact that the purchase of raw milk is unlawful, disallows these farmers to do this testing which would be so beneficial to the farm as well as to their customers.
My eldest son Luke is allergic to pasteurized milk. When he consumes it (or any product made with pasteurized milk such as cheese, yogurt, etc.) his stomach gets upset, his bum gets BRIGHT FLAMING RED and raw, his allergies flare up so bad he seeps ooze from just about every orifice. (sorry for the graphics, but it's true)
He is not, however, allergic to raw milk. He has none of the above symptoms and his seasonal allergies are non-existant when he is regularly consuming raw milk. This saves us TONS of money that we would have to spend on alternative foods as well as weekly allergy shots.
Additionally, my nephew has asthma and when he regularly consumes raw milk he does not have to use his rescue inhaler nor does he have to take his daily medication just to BREATHE!
I am in total agreement that the clandestine sale of raw milk is to be discouraged...it can be dangerous (as can all real food when mishandled). I agree with your other follower Amy that I just don't want readers to think that ALL raw milk was created equal, because in my humble opinion, it certainly is not.
I do appreciate this story of your experience and your willingness to share this and so many other of your personal and REAL feelings and experiences. I pray God will continue to bless you and your family.
So sorry you had such a awful experience! I guess I'm weird at my house we do organic coconut milk and make our own almond milk. I'm not into milk on any level. It's great for cows not humans IMHO!
ReplyDeleteShanti
Brooke (and everyone else for that matter)-perfect timing! Check out the Harvard University debate on this matter. They actually give statistics from the CDC on raw milk illnesses (and deaths=ZERO!). It is soooo worth the time, especially if you are writing and debating about it. Watch it and then lets talk again. I'd love to debate a debate...
ReplyDeletehttp://www.cheeseslave.com/raw-milk-debate-at-harvard-law-video/
Yes, here in CA you can buy raw milk at our local grocery store. I don't even really understand WHY someone would purchase raw milk that has not been tested for human consumption? (Maybe because of its availability?) Either way, I am sorry you went through such a trauma. Sadly, when we eat food not from our own farms we run the risk of contracting illnesses. Like the spinach/cantaloupe/ situation from the previous years past. I realize that this is like comparing apples to oranges, but it is hard to see someone advocating against something that has seemed to do MORE good for people then harm.
ReplyDeleteI think it is important to know your farm, know your dairy, and if it is safe to eat it.
Glad you and baby made it thru. I imagine that was horrifying for you!
wow, thanks for sharing your story. My husband and I have been talking about switching to raw milk...but this is scary! I am definitely going to think twice about it....
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